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Post by 3piggles on Jan 29, 2016 14:45:21 GMT
I totally agree, but such requests would never succeed in the US. We have the right to act as badly as we want, once we're legal adults. I do think it sets a bad example in general, but what about parents who work a late shift and were just tying to get an hour of sleep before they took their kids to school, then go back to sleep afterward? I totally agree that once on school grounds for a meeting, dress like a parent or don't expect to get any respect. My sister had to drive me to work one morning that she didn't have to work, so she wore her PJs and slippers. Of course, the car broke down, and she had to walk to the nearest phone booth. I couldn't help but giggle, as it's almost like asking for something to happen so you're caught out in your PJs Jo, I thought of you and your parasol: www.shopthetv.com/ncis-abby-black-lace-parasol/detail.php?p=442687 It's less expensive if you don't buy it at an Abby Sciuto or NCIS site
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Post by shades on Jan 29, 2016 15:04:02 GMT
Maybe it's a generation thing but I certainly wouldn't even answer the door in my sleepwear, never mind taking my sons to school. If you saw some of the mothers at the school gates, you'd think they were going to a party
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Post by 3piggles on Jan 29, 2016 16:13:17 GMT
I've seen some of those mothers at the Catholic schools. Some of the mothers dropping off kids at the one down the street from us seem to be well dressed to over dressed. I think some were going to work after dropping off their kids, but I had to wonder where some of them worked. Not slutty, just as you said, dressed to go out to the night clubs?
There may be a hierarchy of parents who drop of their kids, the difference between delivering your kids along with all the other mothers, or having them all take a bus from the local bus stop. When I picked up my neighbors girls from the Catholic School where we used to live, I noticed the mothers seemed to be in cliques according to how they were dressed and the vehicles they drove. The obviously wealthy ones were together in one part of the parking lot. The sensibly dressed minivan driving moms were together in another part of the parking lot, and they always parked in the same parts of the parking lot.
I only had to drive my daughter to the bus stop.I didn't get out of the car, and often went in my PJs, but under my coat, and I always wore real shoes. If the car broke down, I didn't have that far to walk to get home, but I wasn't going to do it in my robe and slippers. Here at the condo village, I notice there are groups of parents who get out of their cars, or live close enough to the bus stop to just walk there from home, who gather to pass the time talking. Others stay in their cars. Obviously, those walking need to dress for the weather outdoors, as it can get really cold here. I can't tell what the drivers are wearing.
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Post by Bean on Jan 30, 2016 9:09:35 GMT
I saw that in the news about the parents in their bedclothes - I've only seen it once or twice at our school (clearly coat and boots pulled on over PJs) but think with things like that, once people get used to seeing it routinely, some others will soon think it's a good idea and follow. The thing that surprised me in that article was that they were talking about parents coming to meetings and parents' evenings in their jimjams, not just a case of time being tight on the school run - now that's odd!
We stayed at a hotel in Newcastle where quite a few people came down to eat breakfast on the PJs and onesies (which I strongly believe shouldn't be worn by anyone other than the under 2 age group anyway!) - it wasn't a good look, I like to think people have had a bit of a brush up before hanging around communal food areas! My husband always tuts at people standing out in the street (near their houses) in their nighties - that doesn't bother me so much though!
A couple of weeks ago some school hit the headlines for sending home a letter about how may kids were coming to school unwashed, not always in uniform and in dirty clothes. That offended a lot of parents too, and many were saying they sent their kids off to school looking pristine and they came home all grubby with bits of clothing missing, so who did the school think they were?!
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Post by shades on Jan 30, 2016 12:09:39 GMT
@everyone why do you think there is this decline in dress standards?
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Post by 3piggles on Jan 30, 2016 14:32:31 GMT
I think dress standards represent what our parents/grandparents taught us was correct, and every generation has a need to set its own standards. Every generation wants to set its own standards, makes its mark, and the fashion industry is more than willing to help us do that. It's just that some of the standards set aren't worth setting. Wearing pajama bottoms instead of slacks or jeans was a fad back in the 90s, and it's still around. Pajama bottoms come in all sorts of cool patterns from favorite sports teams to favorite animals, flowers, etc. Wearing cool pajama bottoms became a way to make a statement, so the fad never went away. I see people, even adults, wearing them as slacks in public. They're mostly an option to sweat pants, which many people wore to bed and outside.
I also think a lot of peoples priorities are changing. Perhaps the day when people competed by out dressing each other has to some extent been replaced by under dressing each other. I was appalled the first time I saw the people leaving the catholic church where we used to live. The older people were still dressed in their Sunday best, but the younger ones were in everything from jeans/t-shirts/sneakers to shorts/tank tops/flip flops. The church was also one of the new ones done in modern style, much more energy efficient, but totally lacking the cathedral awe that keeps people reverent. Unlike the catholics in that town, all of the protestants, who were in typical churches, were all dressed in their Sunday best. That's what makes me think it was the modern church more than anything, but the catholics dressed as if they were just doing their duty before finally getting out to do what they planned to do with their day. No impression of having a sit down Sunday dinner, family over for the main meal of the day. Just bow/scrape and get out of there. Sunday used to be the day when there was nothing on TV, all the stores were closed, and everyone stayed home and did family things. That has totally changed, so perhaps the idea of work clothes, play clothes and church clothes had devolved to fit a new life style of being on the go all the time.
I really don't know for sure, just observed a lot of changes in 65 years. Even things like when Jo and I were in grammar school, girls were required to wear skirts or dresses to school. It gets bitterly cold in the winters here, a lot of the time, and girls were allowed to wear pants under the skirts, remove them to be little ladies during the school day, and put them back on to wear out for recess or home after school. By high school, we were allowed to wear pants suits to classes or meals(I lived on campus), as everyone had to dress for classes and meals. We could wear jeans the rest of the time. So that was a huge concession to having to wear skirts or dresses. Now, kids are more interested in wearing the cool fashions their friends are wearing, and school dress codes seem to have become limited to not wearing anything that would damage the furniture, represent a gang or promote alcohol/drug/cigarette use. I've heard a lot about slut shaming of girls who wear anything with spaghetti straps, too tight or too short, to school. That hasn't happened around here, as I've asked the kids about it, but apparently it's happening in other places. So I guess it's a combination of changing values, changing mores, changing life styles, and probably available money. One pair of jeans costs about the same as 5 or more pairs of pajamas, even the really cool pajamas.
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Post by jolovespiggies on Jan 30, 2016 19:12:30 GMT
There was a time when you could instantly tell by looking at the clothes a person wore, how well off they were. Nowadays some of the scruffiest people are very rich.
Hugs JO xx
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Post by Bean on Jan 31, 2016 18:31:11 GMT
My sister and I were talking about this earlier. She (although she always dresses to go out herself) says it doesn't bother her seeing people in their sleepwear, and there are bigger things to worry about - fashions and attitudes to what's appropriate just change as does what makes us outraged. By comparison she makes me seem quite stuffy about liking people being dressed - she thinks I might enjoy wearing a corset!
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Post by 3piggles on Feb 1, 2016 0:58:08 GMT
Ihave to chuckle at some of the current fashions,notjust because I find them ridiculous, but because our parents and grandparents found ours just as ridiculous. One of the teen aged boys here wears Justin Bieber pants with the crotch half way to his knees. Hubby and I were wondering if the girls think those pants are cool? My parents probably tbought the same thing about out bell bottoms Different strokes
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Post by Bean on Feb 1, 2016 9:07:13 GMT
The jeans halfway down your rump with you pants on show look is an especially hard one to understand! Maybe we should all try it before we dismiss it though? You first 3piggles!
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Post by 3piggles on Feb 1, 2016 16:16:11 GMT
ROFL, I've already done it Remember when I was taking my walk during the Polar Vortex bitter cold last year, stopped back in the house to go to the bathroom, and forgot to fasten my pants afterward? I got part way around my circuit and my pants were sliding down on the silky thermals I was wearing I had to hike them up as much as I could through my coat, until I got back home to fasten my pants Nah, I'll pass on making it a fashion statement I saw a boy with his pants like that, and he was running like a penguin because his legs were practically bound together just above the knees. I wondered if he'd ever seen himself trying to run in those pants, lol! These are probably very comfortable, but to me, they're just wierd www.ebay.com/itm/like/181565252834?ul_noapp=true&chn=ps&lpid=82I'm sure I'll be awed in all the wrong ways by fashion, more and more, as I get older, lol
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Post by Bean on Feb 1, 2016 21:20:51 GMT
Ah was that the flapping fish on the pavement incident? I feel like I saw that one I have such a good mental image of it!
My hairdresser was wearing trousers like that today. Nope, don't get it! Just looks like you've pooped yourself to me!
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Post by jolovespiggies on Feb 1, 2016 21:52:44 GMT
Ha ha Bean and Piggles me too. I think it is nice to dress nicely and if people want to do that then fine, equally so if they want to dress down a little. I do believe in being appropriately dressed for certain places though. Some of the fashions now are ridiculous and seldom look nice in my opinion but each to his own. I think the penguin look is going a bit far and when they have their hoods up in summer, well, I won't even go there LOL!!
Hugs Jo xx
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Post by 3piggles on Feb 2, 2016 16:09:55 GMT
Many places in the US have signs saying appropriate attire or something similar. Places like the Ritz still require men to wear ties and jackets in the dining room. There are places that establish what is considered appropriate attire for them, so either dress appropriately or go somewhere else.
Our public health department require shirts, pants and shoes before entering any public building, but a tank top, shorts and flip flops meet the requirements.
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Post by jolovespiggies on Feb 2, 2016 21:48:28 GMT
Spot on as usual Piggles love, if people are not prepared to dress appropriately, they should indeed go somewhere else. I have known places where you couldn't go into the dining room in anything less than trousers and a tie but I think things are more relaxed these days. With some places I think as long as you are covered you will be admitted.
Hugs JO xx
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Post by Bean on Feb 3, 2016 9:08:40 GMT
It's the hotels on foreign holidays that can be interesting - unless there are rules forbidding it, you get people coming in to eat in their swimwear. Lots of hairy, oily flesh swarming around the food which isn't always a mouth watering sight!
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Post by shades on Feb 3, 2016 11:45:50 GMT
It's the hotels on foreign holidays that can be interesting - unless there are rules forbidding it, you get people coming in to eat in their swimwear. Lots of hairy, oily flesh swarming around the food which isn't always a mouth watering sight! Eating in swimwear; that's just wrong. Whatever happened to modesty?
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Post by 3piggles on Feb 3, 2016 17:04:49 GMT
I've seen advertisements for places with bars in the swimming pools, so people don't have to leave to get a drink. They can even sit there on stools, and there are finger foods served. I think that's okay, as it's catering to the swimmers and no one else, but to wear bathing suits to the regular dining room, no! I don't really even want to see people in bathing suits in the hotel lobby, though once they check in, I doubt there's much management can do about it.
Ooh, Bean, once again you have hit it right on the head. Those penguin pants remind me of an overly full diaper! Oh, my! I won't be able to see that neighbor, now, without thinking that, lol!
I answer the door in my robe, if I'm sick, as I'm not getting dressed, and it could be important. However, I check out the window to see who's knocking, and if it's not a delivery person or someone I know, I don't open the door. I even get dressed to go to walk, making sure my hair is neat, and my clothes are okay. There are people out walking in sweat pants, but I was raised to only wear sweat pants at home, as lounging clothes. Same with PJs. Fine at home for lounging, but not for going outside. I do see my neighbors taking their dogs out to the bathroom early in the morning, wearing their PJs, robes and slippers, but that's okay. We don't have our own private yards, so we do the best we can.
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Post by jolovespiggies on Feb 4, 2016 21:02:15 GMT
I quite agree Bean and Shades, a bit off putting for the other diners and it shouldn't be allowed. I have a couple of kaftans which I wear around the house Piggles love, which are quite respectable to answer the door in. I am never really comfortable in clothes so they suit me well. I too always check before I answer it because as much as anything else, I don't want to discuss religion on my doorstep LOL!! I am the, if I leave the house I want to look to a certain standard.
Hugs JO xx
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Post by Bean on Feb 5, 2016 9:07:42 GMT
I am never really comfortable in clothes so they suit me well. Are you a naturist Jo?!
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