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Post by 3piggles on Jan 8, 2018 19:39:08 GMT
One department store, now out of business, used to have a sales associate from the perfume department stand inside the door, and spray everyone as they walked in. I almost coughed myself into a coma one time, when I couldn't get away fast enough. I started putting my hand up and telling the sales associate to get away from me or I'd sue her and the store. Only thing that got them to stop spraying me. They finally stopped spraying, period, though I think it might have been because their profits were sagging, and they didn't want to pay someone to stand by a door and spray customers who then threatened the store with lawsuits. Works for me, except now, so many stores are perfuming the carpets, so I have to have Vic go in without me. They also perfume the bags for the purchases, and the bags for shipping something! Why do curtain rods need to be in perfumed containers? Yes, between the perfume, the pushy people, the heat in the car drying out my sinuses, and getting in and out of the car being a real chore, I'd rather just stay home. I also don't do steps all that well, so I'd rather not have to climb them any more often than necessary. I'm in the house, so I'll stay there
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Post by Bean on Jan 9, 2018 9:07:45 GMT
I've not noticed packaging being scented - it mustn't have caught on here yet. It does seem excessive.
I've never been perfume sprayed without my consent, but I am always wary of the smiling ladies poised with their bottles in department stores! They often try to rope people in for a free makeover too (hoping you'll buy loads of the products that have made you look soooo amazing!) so I'm always dodging those ones too!
I think online shopping suits a lot of people for the reasons you mention. Some people love the hustle and bustle of a busy shopping centre or city centre, others just feel under attack!
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Post by 3piggles on Jan 9, 2018 17:30:21 GMT
I do prefer online shopping, though most clothing, especially shoes, I want to try on. I'll buy one of something, and if it's good, buy more. Last time I bought bras, which I bought more of what I'd had that were getting old, of the three bras, one came stinking of perfume, and the other two were unscented. The curtain rods I ordered online came in scented packages? So I tend to leave packages for hubby to open.
It may also be certain types of things, as curtain rods go with curtains, and may be considered a boudoir type of thing, though I think that's a real stretch. I'm happy that the food processor hubby bought me for Christmas, that came from one of the most offensive stores, did not come in scented packaging!
It's 38F and holding, and has been for the past few hours, so I'm hoping to get the windows open. Hubby brought in the wet vac from the shed, so I can vac up most of the water, and only have the last bit to sop up with towels.
Our ladies went from automatically spraying everyone who walked through the door, to lurking with the spray bottle, but not attacking us. That was better, but as my allergic reactions to perfume got worse, I started avoiding that department all together, and using a different door.
I got one of those free makeovers, and it was great, if you like to do the most you can with make up. Obviously not great for anyone who just dabs on a little something now and then. When I lived in Boston, one of my house mates was a make up artist, and she showed me how to do makeup, so when the free makeover was offered(I had a date that night), I accepted. I bought the make up, but I not all the skin creams they wanted to sell me. I wasn't allergic to that makeup, Shiseido, which was good, as I'm definitely allergic to a lot of them. I haven't used Shiseido in decades, as it's expensive, but it's really nice. I use Origins, now. It's still pricey, but I use so little, so rarely, and it's not tested on animals.
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Post by Bean on Jan 10, 2018 9:16:41 GMT
I don't really wear make up, so although it probably would be fun to see what someone did with me, I'm not motivated to try! My skin gets easily irritated too, so I'd probably have to spend loads on special hypoallergenic non-comedogenic stuff that'd clear my bank out! But I agree the not testing on animals thing is always a priority for whatever I buy.
This cold weather certainly makes a lot more physical work for you. I hope your back is holding up okay.
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Post by jolovespiggies on Jan 10, 2018 17:14:57 GMT
That sounds awful Piggles love. It is audacious to do that anyway, I, for instance, would not be pleased as I wear Chanel No. 5 and no other. I would not appreciate being sprayed by someone without being asked first. For you must have been awful though.
No Bean sweetie, I don't think it has caught on here yet but it probably will. Not that I have been shopping for a while. I prefer shopping online too Piggles love, it is so much easier and you can do it in the comfort of your own home. I still wear makeup Bean hunni if I go out and I would love to wear eyeliner but I cant get it on straight. Also, I do not have a mirror which near any light so it is really difficult for me. Beauty Without Cruelty is a great brand.
Hugs JO xx
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Post by 3piggles on Jan 10, 2018 17:43:52 GMT
I am allergic to just about everything that goes on my skin, but I didn't know it at the time(early 20s), so I still wore makeup. Also, since the allergies made me appear to have really bad acne, I was always trying to cover up that. Having nice make up in colors that were really meant for me, made it a lot easier to have to wear make up. At least I looked really nice, even if it was doing me more harm than good. I was never great with eye liner, either, but if you get the right color combinations, instead of using black, it's much easier to create a nice look, without all the application problems. What we tend to see in TV and in ads is makeup trends created by makeup manufacturers to sell their product. Watching the original Hawaii 5-0 episodes, the women are wearing so much eye makeup, they look like clowns. I wore the same eye makeup back then. We called it raccoon eyes, lol, whole lots of eye makeup all the way up to the eye brows; thick eye liner around the whole eye, with the Egyptian extension on the outside of the eye. Sort of mixing Cleopatra and Ronald McDonald. We thought we looked so fabulous! That's why it was a real revelation living with a makeup artist who showed me how to apply makeup so enhance what was good, and downplay what was bad. She said, when a woman walks into a room, people should look at her and say "Doesn't she look great," and think it's natural. Nothing natural about raccoon eyes, lol Guys don't have these issues, and they should be glad they don't. Women don't really need to have these issues, either, but we've been convinced we do, have used makeup for so long, we've set a standard we now have to either follow or break, and we'll probably continue to follow it. Jo, when you wear perfume, do you spray it on so everyone can smell it for miles around, or just dab some on inside of your wrist, and behind you ears. That's how it was meant to be worn, but splashing it on like aftershave, or spraying it all over, seem to have become the norm. I was behind a woman at the supermarket who was wearing so much perfume, it wafted out behind her for yards(I kept trying to drop back far enough to avoid it, and couldn't)! Perfume was always meant to be a very personal enhancer that only the wearer and the man she wanted near her could smell. I really wish that would come back.
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Post by Bean on Jan 11, 2018 8:28:51 GMT
That's definitely not what a lot of people do nowadays! Getting on a bus or train in rush hour first thing in the morning is really a challenge to your senses with all the overpowering scents competing with each other and seemingly blocking your oxygen! It's much better in the rush hour on the way home, when most of them have faded.
My mum's a Chanel No. 5 fan too, Jo.
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Post by 3piggles on Jan 11, 2018 16:32:05 GMT
What really gets me is that there have been a lot of studies, recently, about the negative effects of breathing and wearing perfume, and how it's a hidden killer for people with respiratory issues, and some other conditions. Yet manufacturers of just about everything scent everything to death. I had a man come here when we first moved in. Turned out he was from the house manufacturer, and he needed to check that the pieces had all been put together the right way. He was wearing something that stunk, to me at least, and I was getting sicker and sicker with him in the house. I finally told him he had to leave. He said it was probably his deodorant. Why does anyone need a deodorant that strong?
I use dye and scent free everything, but most people use scented shampoo and conditioner, scented body wash or soap, scented body powder, scented deodorant, scented laundry detergent and fabric softener, none of the scents being the same, and to me, they smell like a chemical waste dump. Some don't even have to wear actual perfume, all of the items they're wearing are so strong. Adding perfume to that mix just makes it that much worse, and no one seems to think about the people around them, especially in enclosed spaces. I can't believe the number of people who, when I tell them I'm allergic to perfume, say no problem, they don't wear any. They don't wear anything that isn't scented!
As you said, Bean, getting on the train or bus, or even getting into the office in the morning is awful. At least by evening, a lot of it has worn off. Hubby works with some people who pour on the perfume, and since his jacket hangs in his office all day, he can come home reeking! I've had to have him stick his clothes in the washer, and change into something from home, so I can be around him.
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Post by jolovespiggies on Jan 11, 2018 16:55:44 GMT
I must admit I dab it on love as I was taught to do by my mother as it can be intrusive even if the person doesn't mind or has a reaction to the perfume as you do. Haha I like that Piggles hunni Cleopatra crossed with Ronald McDonald. It is so true. I always have been a Chanel No. 5 fan Bean lovey, I have never found one I like as much. Yes, buses and trains are bad for it and as for the perfume department in stores, sometimes it makes your nose hurt.
Hugs JO xx
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Post by 3piggles on Jan 11, 2018 19:22:53 GMT
One of the girls across the hall from me in college used to spray on the perfume. Her roommate would come running out of the room, gasping for air, and Sue would just laugh it off, saying her roommate was such a drama queen. No, we would all stand in the doorway and talk to her, but not go in the room. She just refused to even consider that she was wearing way more perfume than she needed, or than anyone else could enjoy.
I was taught to dab, too. My mother, and the other ladies in her family were quite adamant that perfume was meant for the wearer and for her intimate friends, and not for the rest of the world. They constantly pointed out that the French used to wear lots of perfume to cover the fact that they hadn't bathed. I think that was the case in many countries, before indoor plumbing. I always had to chuckle a bit at their English prejudice against the French, since the French make the best perfumes.
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Post by Bean on Jan 12, 2018 8:18:50 GMT
That's an even more unpleasant thought - thinking perfume hid the tench of the unwashed! Masking body odour never really works, does it?!
The thing I seem to suffer with is aerosols, such as deodorants. Si uses one, but never when I'm in the room or I can feel my chest tighten and the scent just overpowers me!
Being so sensitive to the perfumes in all the products we use must be a pain as it makes it pretty hard for someone to make themselves totally non-offensive to you. You must very much prefer the weather when you can be outdoors so you can meet up with family and friends without it being so intense.
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Post by jolovespiggies on Jan 12, 2018 15:22:54 GMT
That sounds awful Piggles love, I really pity her roommate, she shouldn't have had to put up with that. I am afraid that it is true, perfume was first used to cover up the smell of dirty bodies and I am sure in some places it still is, what a gross thought. No, it doesn't work Bean sweetie, there is no hiding certain smells. Aerosols can be annoying I agree hunni, especially if the smell isn't pleasant to you.I must admit that I hold my nose when I spray on my anti P.
Hugs JO xx
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Post by 3piggles on Jan 12, 2018 17:05:37 GMT
The problem is all those scents are chemical scent equivalents of the real thing. We watched a very disturbing documentary on how chemical scents are derived, and it can be from animal feces, mud, and a whole slew of things we would never put on our bodies, but the odors stand up to being processed, and when mixed in certain ways, trick the brain into smelling a meadow, flower garden, or ocean breezes.
Not only are the chemicals dangerous to us, being filled with heavy metals, but now we know they are filled with toxins we shouldn't be inhaling, and if we knew those toxins were there, we'd never use the products. Instead, we read the ingredients on the product, most of which mean nothing to us, and just figure there can't be anything really terrible in the product. They test those products on animals, resulting in horrible injuries and death to the animals, yet we continue to use the products.
Spraying any of those products all over, so everyone in the vicinity has to breathe the toxins.
I can breathe natural scents with no problems. Even skunk spray doesn't bother me as much as any chemical scent. I'd love to have people go back to wearing mint, rosemary, etc., right off the plant!
Yes, it does make it hard to go anywhere. There are enough people in our neighborhood, around our house, who use super scented dryer sheets, that it can still be hard to even get out of the yard. I find my scent-free house is my best option.
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Post by jolovespiggies on Jan 13, 2018 15:40:15 GMT
Do cleaning materials affect you as well hunni?. I use bleach for my cleaning as I think it is the best but the smell can be overpowering. I know the products tested on animals are despicable although I have a whole bunch of letters from companies saying that they do not use animals in any stages of the product manufacture. I still wonder. You are able to go for country walks then if natural scents are OK for you and let's be honest those smells are the best.
Hugs JO xx
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Post by 3piggles on Jan 14, 2018 1:45:48 GMT
I can breathe natural smells, and chemical smells that aren't trying to be something else, so yes, I can use bleach. I don't seem to mind citrus scents in chemicals, so I use the lemon scented bleach. I use vinegar, lemon juice and baking soda for a lot of my cleaning, though I can use some commercial products. I can't use anything with chemical perfume scent in it. Air fresheners, laundry detergent and fabric softener, shampoo/conditioner/body wash/soap/deodorant, all of those are toxic to me. I use scent and dye free detergent and fabric softener, scent free deodorant, and the rest I make myself. 56F at this time yesterday. 15F tonight. Winter has returned, and our thaw is over. It was great to have temps warm enough to thaw everything that had frozen shut, but it was still in the high 50sF overnight, and not a good sleeping night for me. We have a couple of pretty cold days/nights, then back to regular winter weather. Snow Tuesday night into Wednesday to cover up all the places where the snow melted in the thaw. We can always count on Mother Nature to cover the bare spots The Consumer Electronics Show this year features a 149" television set that is as thin a s a piece of paper. It can also be daisy chained for up to 3 TV screens. Hubby was measuring all the walls, until it turned out that each TV screen was $32K. Yep, not getting one of those any time soon, lol Hubby was all set to put one in the bedroom, which is the only room with a wall big enough
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Post by jolovespiggies on Jan 14, 2018 16:39:23 GMT
I love the smell of lemon too Piggles sweetie, it always makes everything smell so fresh. I am sorry winter is back for you but at least you can have some lovely warming food. Grey and miserable here today but at least it isn't raining.
Hugs JO xx
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Post by 3piggles on Jan 14, 2018 16:55:38 GMT
Sorry it's cold and gloomy there, Jo. It's bright and sunny here, and cold. 15F, and probably about as high as it's going to get, but I really don't mind. I'm going to roast a chicken this afternoon, and have enough cold tomorrow to cook something else. Warms up the house, and smells divine I hope you get some sun and warmer weather, soon
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Post by jolovespiggies on Jan 15, 2018 15:45:31 GMT
I know winter and Christmas are my favourite times Piggles hunni but I too love spring. I love to see all the spring flowers and my first bumble bees and butterflies. Roast chicken sounds divine, I haven't had that for a while. it would be nice to see the first signs of sunny weather sweetie, but I think it will be a little while yet.
Hugs Jo xx
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Post by 3piggles on Jan 16, 2018 2:26:21 GMT
I can wait for Spring, Jo. We got our first too hot day in April last year, and I think we had our last one in November, and that's not fun for me. I took off all my rings in May, so they wouldn't get imbedded in my fingers, when I started to swell in the heat. I had to get out to walk, and then to bike at 7 a.m. to beat the heat, for 4 months, which is way longer than summer heat should last around here. I guess we've been having a La Nina period. Hopefully when El Nino arrives, we'll not only get some cooler weather, but some useful rain. We're finishing out two-day cold spell, and are getting back into the 30sF and snow. I figure hubby will work from home again on Wednesday, when we're forecast to get 4-7" of snow. He can play with his snow blower again Temps in the 40s F, and rain this coming weekend! February and March are usually our snowiest months, so although we have bare lawn showing in some places, I think we'll get it covered again One of our supermarkets is having a sale on corned beef and cabbage. It's a St. Patrick's Day sale. St. Patrick's Day is something like March 15. Do they really think we're going to buy perishable food, now, and save it until mid March? Apparently so I won't buy any St. Patrick's Day food until after Valentine's Day, lol
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Post by jolovespiggies on Jan 16, 2018 10:24:07 GMT
That sounds awful Piggles love, I would hate warm weather for that length of time too. Our shops are full of Valentine's day stuff but nothing for St Patrick's yet so I am told. It seems to be very hot or very cold where you are Piggles hunni and nothing in between.
Hugs JO xx
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